Hello, Sylvie - The glue we used is called Araldite 2020. I'm sorry I don't know of suppliers in Canada or North America in general. A different epoxy is called Hxtal NYL-1 which I am as sure as I can be you will find in your country. Here also is a link to an article you might find useful because it's important I tell you we aren't experts with glue - we only follow the instructions. Many other people (some of whom read this newsletter) know a lot more than we do. If any of them read this comment, can they please say something (Hugo!). Anyway, here's the link: http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/stainglass/stainglass.htm
I am sorry for not answering before! It would be awesome if we could tag or have notifications ! Maybe it works for other ones but my system is « rébarbatif « !
HXTAL is splendid and is the same as Araldite. Both approved .
There are many other tricks involved for different kind of glass, painted or not. But that’s along blog :) as they say : « the one in the Trade will therefore move further « (read that in a very old book of Craftsmanship)!
Thanks for everything Hugo! I already have this glue that I haven't used yet, so I'll do my homework by experimenting with the technique on other pieces before tackling the original ones. I'll see if I order the "pre-treatment" as I normally use acetone too. Will it be possible to remove the excess as easily as the other? Here's my e-mail address: sylviesavoie.savie@gmail.com
Question : which excess ? The pre treatment: I am the rare one to use it because of my previous experience in other fields . It is only a « cleaner « that ensures a more robust bound.
Je parle de l'excès de la colle HXTAL qu'ils enlèvent avec un X-Acto sur le dessus de la pièce... Est ce que tu crois que je peux t'envoyer un message sur Messenger, je viens de réaliser que nous sommes amis FB ?
If you wait between 24-36 hours max (depending on temperature/humidity) you will have no issue taking off the excess of HXTAL. The rest can be clean gently with acetone .
Thank you for your reply and this link, which I will read carefully! Thanks for the reference and I hope I won't abuse it ;) I love your newsletters!!!
Bonjour à vous deux ! Quelle équipe formidable vous faites. Vous venez de m'apprendre la technique de collage dont j'aurai besoin prochainement dans mes derniers vitraux à restaurer pour l'église Anglicane Saint-George de Drummondville au Québec. Je n'ai jamais visité l'Angleterre, mais cela est sur ma liste dans un avenir assez proche. Est-ce possible d'avoir le nom du produit exact que vous utilisez et si vous savez qui peut vendre ce produit en Amérique du Nord ? Merci à l'avance et au plaisir de vous lire à nouveau.
I cheered (mentally; I'm not so extroverted and clueless as to think anyone else in the house would want to hear it) when I read your put-down of ridiculous, pretentious replacement of the fully-descriptive term "gluing" with "edge-bonding." The same nonsense is going on all over the place. My own Hall of Fame is topped by something in the fish-keeping hobby, where "water" (in a tank) has been replaced by "water column." The latter term has a very legitimate scientific origin, because marine biologists working in lakes and oceans have to take account of what can be drastically differing conditions between the surface and depths that may reach hundreds or thousands of feet, or even miles. But fish tanks? At most a couple of feet, well-stirred by pumps and filters. So anyone writing about "water columns" gets ignored by yours truly. Thus let it be with "edge-bonding" as well. Life is too short to spend it catering to pompous people trying to seem erudite. It's great to see some push-back! (Oh, and the rest of your message is up to its usual high standards as well...)
It's weird, isn't it, how these expressions just catch on and before you know it a huge swathe of seemingly normal folk have been body-snatched? "Fish tank water column" deserves a serious prize - sorry, I mean a protracted dose of mockery and scorn. I'm comforted to know how you too bristle when language gets misused like this.
I did chuckle at the mention of the illustrious body (IB) and their ridiculous requirements, although your narratives very often do make me chuckle Stephen 😃 When I trained, we were encouraged to jump through the ever-more-complicated hoops to join said IB, which included among others having an assessor come to the studio on a few occasions to actually see that I was doing my work properly, and to submit an account of my business practices beyond the actual work undertaken. I did feel this was unnecessarily intrusive but was going to go along with with it, until I spoke to a very respected silversmith who had a studio based at one of the very well known stately homes. He was actually jumping through the hoops, but withdrew in disgust when his assessor turned out to be a textile conservator who knew precisely diddly squat about silversmithing. Crazy, huh? So I decided not to pay the substantial fee for all this hoop-jumping and paddle my own canoe. 20 years down the river I have no regrets and never went without work because I didn’t belong to said IB.
As far as pretentious description goes I will say that when I trained, we weren’t ‘sticking with glue’, we were ‘bonding with adhesive’. And woe betide anyone who uttered the phrase ‘restoring to its former glory’!! 😂
Same experience as us, then: how interesting. I'm so glad it also worked out well for you.
We never had an assessor, though. I can't imagine the outcome if we'd ever had. Oh, wait: I can extrapolate from a related incident ...
We were once visited by a representative of the Health & Safety Executive.
With glass, tools, huge easels, kilns, and even acid in the studio, we got the all clear - apart from one small matter.
Namely, our accident book wasn't under lock and key.
This meant, they solemnly informed us, that our respective privacies were infringed: if David recorded an accident which happened to him, I might get to know about it just by opening the accident book.
Hello, Sylvie - The glue we used is called Araldite 2020. I'm sorry I don't know of suppliers in Canada or North America in general. A different epoxy is called Hxtal NYL-1 which I am as sure as I can be you will find in your country. Here also is a link to an article you might find useful because it's important I tell you we aren't experts with glue - we only follow the instructions. Many other people (some of whom read this newsletter) know a lot more than we do. If any of them read this comment, can they please say something (Hugo!). Anyway, here's the link: http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/stainglass/stainglass.htm
Dear all,
I am sorry for not answering before! It would be awesome if we could tag or have notifications ! Maybe it works for other ones but my system is « rébarbatif « !
HXTAL is splendid and is the same as Araldite. Both approved .
https://www.hxtal.com/
https://www.hisglassworks.com/bond-and-etch/adhesives/epoxies/hxtal-nyl-1.html
I do not use acetone anymore because of the film it leaves. I use 85 alcohol. And then :
https://www.hisglassworks.com/1-2-liter-a-1100-amino-silane-adhesive-pre-treatment.html
There are many other tricks involved for different kind of glass, painted or not. But that’s along blog :) as they say : « the one in the Trade will therefore move further « (read that in a very old book of Craftsmanship)!
Thank you, Hugo.
Ah! Got notified ! A joy Sir! Thanks to you .
Thanks for everything Hugo! I already have this glue that I haven't used yet, so I'll do my homework by experimenting with the technique on other pieces before tackling the original ones. I'll see if I order the "pre-treatment" as I normally use acetone too. Will it be possible to remove the excess as easily as the other? Here's my e-mail address: sylviesavoie.savie@gmail.com
A pleasure .
Question : which excess ? The pre treatment: I am the rare one to use it because of my previous experience in other fields . It is only a « cleaner « that ensures a more robust bound.
Je parle de l'excès de la colle HXTAL qu'ils enlèvent avec un X-Acto sur le dessus de la pièce... Est ce que tu crois que je peux t'envoyer un message sur Messenger, je viens de réaliser que nous sommes amis FB ?
If you wait between 24-36 hours max (depending on temperature/humidity) you will have no issue taking off the excess of HXTAL. The rest can be clean gently with acetone .
Oui possible
Thank you for your reply and this link, which I will read carefully! Thanks for the reference and I hope I won't abuse it ;) I love your newsletters!!!
I'm sorry I don't know the answer to your question, Chris. Although this article doesn't answer it either, you might find it useful: http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/stainglass/stainglass.htm .
Bonjour à vous deux ! Quelle équipe formidable vous faites. Vous venez de m'apprendre la technique de collage dont j'aurai besoin prochainement dans mes derniers vitraux à restaurer pour l'église Anglicane Saint-George de Drummondville au Québec. Je n'ai jamais visité l'Angleterre, mais cela est sur ma liste dans un avenir assez proche. Est-ce possible d'avoir le nom du produit exact que vous utilisez et si vous savez qui peut vendre ce produit en Amérique du Nord ? Merci à l'avance et au plaisir de vous lire à nouveau.
Lis plus haut.
I cheered (mentally; I'm not so extroverted and clueless as to think anyone else in the house would want to hear it) when I read your put-down of ridiculous, pretentious replacement of the fully-descriptive term "gluing" with "edge-bonding." The same nonsense is going on all over the place. My own Hall of Fame is topped by something in the fish-keeping hobby, where "water" (in a tank) has been replaced by "water column." The latter term has a very legitimate scientific origin, because marine biologists working in lakes and oceans have to take account of what can be drastically differing conditions between the surface and depths that may reach hundreds or thousands of feet, or even miles. But fish tanks? At most a couple of feet, well-stirred by pumps and filters. So anyone writing about "water columns" gets ignored by yours truly. Thus let it be with "edge-bonding" as well. Life is too short to spend it catering to pompous people trying to seem erudite. It's great to see some push-back! (Oh, and the rest of your message is up to its usual high standards as well...)
It's weird, isn't it, how these expressions just catch on and before you know it a huge swathe of seemingly normal folk have been body-snatched? "Fish tank water column" deserves a serious prize - sorry, I mean a protracted dose of mockery and scorn. I'm comforted to know how you too bristle when language gets misused like this.
Does Araldite 2020 offer a better quality in comparison with Araldite Crystal?
I did chuckle at the mention of the illustrious body (IB) and their ridiculous requirements, although your narratives very often do make me chuckle Stephen 😃 When I trained, we were encouraged to jump through the ever-more-complicated hoops to join said IB, which included among others having an assessor come to the studio on a few occasions to actually see that I was doing my work properly, and to submit an account of my business practices beyond the actual work undertaken. I did feel this was unnecessarily intrusive but was going to go along with with it, until I spoke to a very respected silversmith who had a studio based at one of the very well known stately homes. He was actually jumping through the hoops, but withdrew in disgust when his assessor turned out to be a textile conservator who knew precisely diddly squat about silversmithing. Crazy, huh? So I decided not to pay the substantial fee for all this hoop-jumping and paddle my own canoe. 20 years down the river I have no regrets and never went without work because I didn’t belong to said IB.
As far as pretentious description goes I will say that when I trained, we weren’t ‘sticking with glue’, we were ‘bonding with adhesive’. And woe betide anyone who uttered the phrase ‘restoring to its former glory’!! 😂
Same experience as us, then: how interesting. I'm so glad it also worked out well for you.
We never had an assessor, though. I can't imagine the outcome if we'd ever had. Oh, wait: I can extrapolate from a related incident ...
We were once visited by a representative of the Health & Safety Executive.
With glass, tools, huge easels, kilns, and even acid in the studio, we got the all clear - apart from one small matter.
Namely, our accident book wasn't under lock and key.
This meant, they solemnly informed us, that our respective privacies were infringed: if David recorded an accident which happened to him, I might get to know about it just by opening the accident book.
The visit ended.
😂